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AI agents as hall monitors

The hosts liken AI safety monitors to high‑school hall monitors, making a technical concept relatable.

11:31 → 11:53 · 21.7 s · excitement 37 · confidence 0.77

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OpenAI’s Two-Week Pause + Jill Lepore on the Threat of the “Artificial State” + Train of Thought · 2026-08-21
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  2. 2. Meta Ray‑Ban nightmare at a birthday party
  3. 3. Google pays $10 M for Spirit Airlines data
  4. 4. If you keep a tiger, the government will take it
  5. 5. AI investigators sound like sci‑fi characters
  6. 6. AI agents as hall monitors
  7. 7. Jill Lepore defines the ‘artificial state’

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Chapters
  1. Games promo intro
    Juliet introduces New York Times Games and a short social‑media style chat.
  2. OpenAI pause & AI safety
    Kevin and Casey discuss OpenAI’s two‑week training pause, the Astra model, and new safety safeguards.
  3. Interview with Jill Lepore
    Kevin and Casey talk with historian Jill Lepore about her book on the artificial state and its political implications.
  4. Train of Thought: Spirit Airlines data
    The hosts explore Google’s purchase of Spirit Airlines data, data‑market dynamics, and reinforcement‑learning environments.
  5. Closing credits & sponsor messages
    Credits, production acknowledgments, and final New York Times Games sponsorship spots.
Speakers
  1. 46%Kevin Roose
    host · self introduction · 0.99
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  2. 32%Casey Newton
    co host · self introduction · 0.99
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  3. 20%Jill Lepore
    guest · named by host · 0.98
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  4. 2%speaker_2
    ad voice · unknown · 0.85
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Topics
Jill Lepore’s artificial state concept36%
OpenAI training pause and Astra model safety15%
Data markets, reinforcement‑learning environments, and AI training data11%
Google acquisition of Spirit Airlines data9%
New York Times Games sponsorship ads4%
30‑minute rule and AI safety frameworks3%
Style
Format
Interview
Tone
analytical and conversational with occasional humor
Pacing
Moderate · 5.4 turns/min · 187 wpm
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Train of Thought, New York Times Games ads, Credits
Confidence
0.96
Quality
LoudnessOK-16.7 LUFSPodcast targets sit around −16 to −14
True peakCheck0.4 dBTPAbove 0 dBTP: may clip after encoding
Noise floor-54.5 dBFS
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