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The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express
2026-08-07 · 1:09:10 · 6 chapters · 4 clips · 3 ad reads · analysis.json
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- NYT Games promo intro
Juliet introduces the New York Times Games promotion. - Farewell announcement
Kevin and Casey announce they're leaving the NYT and starting a new independent podcast. - White House AI rules discussion
Kevin and Casey discuss the secret White House AI regulatory framework. - AI agents rogue teaser
Hosts tease the upcoming segment on rogue AI agents. - Interview with Chris Painter
Meter president Chris Painter joins to discuss model alignment and misbehavior. - Hot Mess Express
The final segment rates the week’s messiest tech headlines.
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- 47%Casey Newton
co host · self introduction · 0.99
Evidence - 31%
Kevin Roose
host · self introduction · 0.99
Evidence - 19%Chris Painter
guest · addressed by name · 0.98
Evidence , - 2%Not identified
ad voice · unknown · 0.90
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Interview with Chris Painter38%
Hot Mess Express news roundup28%
White House AI rules discussion24%
Hard Fork departure announcement2%
Orchid AI assistant ad2%
Framer ad1%
AI agents rogue teaser0%
NYT Games promotion0%
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- Interview
- Tone
- conversational, witty, informal
- Pacing
- Moderate · 6.6 turns/min · 200 wpm
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- Ask Us Anything, Hot Mess Express, NYT Games promo, Ad reads, Farewell announcement
- Confidence
- 0.95
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Ad reads3 inserted · NY Times Games; inserted · Framer; host read · Orchid
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