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The White House’s Secret A.I. Rules + The State of Model Alignment With METR’s Chris Painter + The Final Hot Mess Express

2026-08-07 · 1:09:10 · 6 chapters · 4 clips · 3 ad reads · analysis.json

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    Chapters
    1. NYT Games promo intro
      Juliet introduces the New York Times Games promotion.
    2. Farewell announcement
      Kevin and Casey announce they're leaving the NYT and starting a new independent podcast.
    3. White House AI rules discussion
      Kevin and Casey discuss the secret White House AI regulatory framework.
    4. AI agents rogue teaser
      Hosts tease the upcoming segment on rogue AI agents.
    5. Interview with Chris Painter
      Meter president Chris Painter joins to discuss model alignment and misbehavior.
    6. Hot Mess Express
      The final segment rates the week’s messiest tech headlines.
    Speakers
    1. 47%Casey Newton
      co host · self introduction · 0.99
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    2. 31%Kevin Roose
      host · self introduction · 0.99
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    3. 19%Chris Painter
      guest · addressed by name · 0.98
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    4. 2%Not identified
      ad voice · unknown · 0.90
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    Topics
    Interview with Chris Painter38%
    Hot Mess Express news roundup28%
    White House AI rules discussion24%
    Hard Fork departure announcement2%
    Orchid AI assistant ad2%
    Framer ad1%
    AI agents rogue teaser0%
    NYT Games promotion0%
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    Interview
    Tone
    conversational, witty, informal
    Pacing
    Moderate · 6.6 turns/min · 200 wpm
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    Ask Us Anything, Hot Mess Express, NYT Games promo, Ad reads, Farewell announcement
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    0.95
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    LoudnessOK-16.8 LUFSPodcast targets sit around −16 to −14
    True peakCheck0.4 dBTPAbove 0 dBTP: may clip after encoding
    Noise floor-48.8 dBFS
    Ad reads3 inserted · NY Times Games; inserted · Framer; host read · Orchid

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